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Published October 15, 2018


Dramatis Personae
Cath, Chia, Chris, George

chris [8:03 PM] Jacob’s Ladder!

cathschaffstump [8:04 PM] Jacob’s Ladder!

chris [8:04 PM]

george_galuschak [8:04 PM] go go go!!!

chialynn [8:04 PM] Jacob’s Ladder!

george_galuschak [8:04 PM] JACOB’S LADDER

chris [8:04 PM] ah, good old Carolco. 90s memories

george_galuschak [8:04 PM] cat sitting in front of TV

chris [8:05 PM] Wes’ son?

chialynn [8:05 PM] Looks a bit like the beginning of Apocalypse Now. I’m sure that’s intentional.

george_galuschak [8:05 PM] ‘Nam?

chialynn [8:05 PM] Danny Aiello!

chris [8:06 PM] and he doesn’t even own a friggin’ pizzeria

cathschaffstump [8:06 PM] Are all past wars in sepia tones?

george_galuschak [8:06 PM] I guess so!

chris [8:07 PM] Marcellus Wallace!

george_galuschak [8:08 PM] hey, it’s RADAR O’REILLY!

chialynn [8:08 PM] It was such a nice day, too.

george_galuschak [8:08 PM] this is giving me a headache

chialynn [8:11 PM] And it was all a dream…

cathschaffstump [8:11 PM] From jungle to post office.

chris [8:11 PM] …or was it?

george_galuschak [8:12 PM] that’s a slovenly subway car

george_galuschak [8:12 PM] gritty!

chialynn [8:12 PM] Even for NYC in the ’70s.

cathschaffstump [8:12 PM] Those glasses are pretty 70s.

cathschaffstump [8:12 PM]
What is he reading?

chris [8:13 PM] Vessel of Ra

cathschaffstump [8:13 PM] novella. Kind of thin.

cathschaffstump [8:13 PM]
No! Don’t get off the car. Sure it was dirty, but it was going somewhere.

george_galuschak [8:14 PM]
Is this supposed to be NYC? Back in the 70’s?

chialynn [8:15 PM]
It’s supposed to be 1975, according to Wikipedia.

cathschaffstump [8:15 PM]
No! Don’t climb onto the track. Man, no wonder you died in ‘Nam.

george_galuschak [8:16 PM] Is he stupid?

cathschaffstump [8:16 PM] There you go. Beginning scenario for Orphan Black right there. Nope, entire BBC series averted.

george_galuschak [8:16 PM] this has a dream sequence kind of vibe to it

cathschaffstump [8:16 PM] WHO WAS THAT?WHAT WAS THAT?

cathschaffstump [8:17 PM] Hmmm…Jake has a home.

chialynn [8:17 PM] “Go back to sleep.”

cathschaffstump [8:18 PM] Woah. That 70s reflective mirror paneling.

george_galuschak [8:18 PM] hey its a doggie

chialynn [8:19 PM] He is 6’5″. She is not.

cathschaffstump [8:19 PM] So it’s going to be like that, is it? Okay.

chialynn [8:20 PM] Film made in 1990; semi-random nudity in the first 15 minutes. Check.

chris [8:20 PM] Carolco!

cathschaffstump [8:20 PM] I think that vanity is actually the vanity I had growing up.

chialynn [8:21 PM] I assume Jezzie is short for Jezebel? This movie is nothing if not subtle.

george_galuschak [8:21 PM] Jessie?

cathschaffstump [8:21 PM] That wouldn’t be symbolic. Sure. Get those breasts out there. It makes us edgier.

chialynn [8:22 PM] That scar on her breast has a story.

cathschaffstump [8:22 PM] Oh. She does own a bra.

chris [8:23 PM] “She looks like a bitch” Home Alone!

george_galuschak [8:24 PM] like the sideburns!

cathschaffstump [8:24 PM] At least second degree burns.

chialynn [8:24 PM] This is not a healthy relationship.

cathschaffstump [8:24 PM] Oh. She does own a shirt.

chris [8:24 PM] two postal workers

cathschaffstump [8:24 PM] Walk into a bar?

george_galuschak [8:26 PM] DANNY AIELLO!

george_galuschak [8:27 PM] is he related to Kevin Bacon?

chris [8:27 PM] isn’t everyone?

george_galuschak [8:27 PM] did they have chiropractors in the 70’s???

cathschaffstump [8:28 PM] Yes, they did.

chialynn [8:28 PM] Since 1895!

cathschaffstump [8:28 PM] PhD. It is also my dream to work in a post office.

cathschaffstump [8:28 PM] Wait. His head exploded. Nope. It’s back.

george_galuschak [8:28 PM] damn, that made me jump

chialynn [8:28 PM] That’s some gooooood chiropractic.

george_galuschak [8:28 PM] THIS IS SOME CIA MIND EXPERIMENT, ISN’T IT?

chris [8:29 PM] better than over-the-phone reiki

chialynn [8:29 PM] Burned-out car, just sittin’ under the bridge by the high school.

cathschaffstump [8:30 PM] Those were very melodious students.

chialynn [8:30 PM] The high school full of professional singers.

cathschaffstump [8:30 PM] WHO WAS THAT? WHAT WAS THAT?

chialynn [8:30 PM] Ah. Foreshadowing!

george_galuschak [8:30 PM] lots of weird, random stuff here

cathschaffstump [8:30 PM] He seems weirdly unweirded out by this.

george_galuschak [8:31 PM] this is like some freaky Warren Zevon song

chris [8:31 PM] awooo

george_galuschak [8:31 PM] reality wawa.

cathschaffstump [8:31 PM] Remember paper files?

chialynn [8:32 PM] Yeah, we’ve been trying to clear them out at work.

chris [8:32 PM] disgruntled wage slaves for the win

cathschaffstump [8:32 PM] Dialogue is riveting.

cathschaffstump [8:32 PM] Okay, so her head is messed up.Your afterlife encounter group?


cathschaffstump [8:34 PM] Everybody died, bro. You, Dr. Carlson, everybody.

chialynn [8:34 PM] The nurse couldn’t have told him this?

chialynn [8:34 PM] Well, no. Then we wouldn’t have had the fun hospital chase sequence.

chialynn [8:35 PM] “Oh, I’ve never heard of the guy who died a month ago.”

george_galuschak [8:35 PM] UH OH JEZEBEL LOST HER SHIRT AGAIN!

chialynn [8:36 PM] “New York is filled with creatures.”

cathschaffstump [8:36 PM] And skin.

chris [8:36 PM] PRE-GIULIANI

chialynn [8:36 PM] Naked creatures.

chialynn [8:37 PM] I feel like she could be more concerned about her boyfriend’s mental health.

cathschaffstump [8:37 PM] Or keeping her shirt on. She must be cold. All the time.

george_galuschak [8:37 PM] I don’t believe she’s a paragon of mental health herself

chialynn [8:37 PM] In a crappy apartment with doubtlessly dodgy heat?

cathschaffstump [8:38 PM] This doesn’t look like disco.

cathschaffstump [8:38 PM] Palmistry alert.

george_galuschak [8:38 PM] HI JACOB YOU’RE LOOKING DEAD TODAY

cathschaffstump [8:39 PM] They got the right part of the hand for relationships. Points to you, palm reading woman.

cathschaffstump [8:39 PM] Of course he has strange lines. The line doesn’t stop, so no, he’s not already dead, is all I’m saying.

chris [8:40 PM] drugz

george_galuschak [8:40 PM] well we’ve established that she wears a shirt when she goes out

chris [8:40 PM] white dancing

chris [8:40 PM] bad in any era

cathschaffstump [8:41 PM] True dat.

cathschaffstump [8:41 PM] WHO IS THAT?

chialynn [8:41 PM] I’ve been to this party. I didn’t enjoy it, either.

cathschaffstump [8:41 PM] WHAT IS THAT?

george_galuschak [8:42 PM] is that guy wearing HIS UNDERWEAR ON HIS HEAD?

chialynn [8:42 PM] Well, nobody had a weird lycanthropic freakout at the party I’m thinking of. Not that I noticed, anyway.

cathschaffstump [8:42 PM] Quoth the strobe light ever more.

chialynn [8:42 PM] Or had sex with a… a…

cathschaffstump [8:42 PM] Now this movie would come with a seizure warning.

chialynn [8:42 PM] WHAT IS THAT?

cathschaffstump [8:42 PM] And yes, he did have a seizure, it would seem.

george_galuschak [8:43 PM] Wow she’s understanding

chris [8:44 PM] If all your men flip out on you, perchance you should look inward…

chialynn [8:44 PM]
Ah, the old bathtub full of ice. I understand I got dunked in a few of those as a kid.

cathschaffstump [8:44 PM] There. Finally some male skin.

chialynn [8:44 PM] And there was a lot of screaming.

cathschaffstump [8:44 PM] Not that it was essential.

cathschaffstump [8:45 PM] That guy’s hair is perfect.

chialynn [8:45 PM] Okay, they’ve got good neighbors.

chialynn [8:45 PM] Good neighbors help you dunk your shrieking boyfriend in ice water.

cathschaffstump [8:46 PM] That was a craptastic day.

chialynn [8:46 PM] I’m gonna say he still needs to go to the hospital, now they’ve gotten his temperature down.

george_galuschak [8:46 PM] wait, did that happen?

george_galuschak [8:46 PM] who’s that?

cathschaffstump [8:46 PM] Caution doesn’t seem to be his watchword. This is the woman from the picture that Jezebel burned.

chialynn [8:47 PM] Oh, yeah. His ex-wife.

cathschaffstump [8:47 PM] She looks nicer. She’s wearing a shirt.

george_galuschak [8:47 PM] what? who?

george_galuschak [8:47 PM] SHE’S CHASTE

chris [8:48 PM] I was living with JEZEBEL

george_galuschak [8:48 PM] all that sex with Jezebel DRAINED HIS LIFEFORCE

cathschaffstump [8:48 PM] Like Chia said, pretty subtle film. Oh, look, the other picture. I mean the son. The son.

george_galuschak [8:48 PM] I’m sort of confused now

chialynn [8:48 PM] Hello, baby Macaulay Culkin.

chris [8:49 PM] AAAAH

cathschaffstump [8:49 PM]It’s all very straightforward. This guy is dead, right? And his brain is scrambled eggs.

george_galuschak [8:49 PM] wait, now he has a kid?

chialynn [8:49 PM] This is the kid who’s dead.

chialynn [8:49 PM] From the picture.

george_galuschak [8:49 PM] what picture?

cathschaffstump [8:50 PM] Jezebel’s burning pictures.

george_galuschak [8:50 PM]
how many kids does this guy have? I’m so confused

george_galuschak [8:50 PM] Is PINHEAD going to appear now?

chialynn [8:51 PM] I think he had two. And Macaulay Culkin died before he went to Vietnam.

cathschaffstump [8:51 PM] I sure hope so. It would explain a lot.

george_galuschak [8:51 PM] I can’t keep this guy’s wives apart

chialynn [8:52 PM] This one is Sarah. She wears a shirt.

george_galuschak [8:53 PM] why is he in the tub now?

chialynn [8:54 PM] He’s back in the timeline with Jezzie. He was hallucinating Sarah and his kids.

george_galuschak [8:54 PM] HOLY SHIT JEZEBEL’S WEARING A SHIRT

chris [8:55 PM] and then Haley Joel Osment replaced Macaulay

chialynn [8:55 PM] She owns one shirt and multiple bathrobes.

cathschaffstump [8:55 PM] So many bathrobes.

george_galuschak [8:55 PM] ‘you’re going to be just fine, Jacob. Pretty soon some nice men in white coats are going to visit.’

chris [8:55 PM] “You’re right here. Home.” “… Damn.”

george_galuschak [8:56 PM] why are they whispering?

cathschaffstump [8:56 PM] THAT was a virus???

george_galuschak [8:56 PM] the DOCTOR SAYS YOU’RE FUCKED

cathschaffstump [8:56 PM] What happened to you’re going crazy on your own, Jezebel?
I mean, kudos, but.

chris [8:56 PM] west nile

cathschaffstump [8:57 PM] Oh dear. A Witch’s Bible, Demonology, the Root of All Evil.

chialynn [8:57 PM] Quite a selection of reading material, there.

cathschaffstump [8:57 PM]And Dante’s Inferno. You’re thinking what I’m thinking, aren’t you, Jacob?

george_galuschak [8:57 PM] ahh, Jacob is interested in our GOOD LORD SAY-TAN

chialynn [8:58 PM] “You should really go out in this pouring rain with your virus, Jake.”

george_galuschak [8:58 PM] go to the park and read your fucking demon books

chialynn [8:58 PM] She was nice for like 6 minutes. Oh, two weeks. Okay.

cathschaffstump [8:58 PM] Yeah. It was a good six minutes. It was a good six minute two weeks. That phone is avocado in color.

george_galuschak [8:59 PM] is that a marijuana tree?

cathschaffstump [8:59 PM] It’s a 70s thing.

cathschaffstump [9:00 PM] You aren’t GOING to hell. Pretty much there, I think.

chialynn [9:00 PM] Poor Paul.

chris [9:00 PM] shifty eyes

chialynn [9:00 PM] That filthy sweatshirt was an inspired costuming choice.

cathschaffstump [9:02 PM]
Wait. You’re in your own movie where you think you’re going crazy? Whaaaaatttttt????

chialynn [9:02 PM] Hey, isn’t that the guy who yelled at him to get out of the way of the car?

cathschaffstump [9:02 PM] It is.

george_galuschak [9:02 PM] I dunno

cathschaffstump [9:02 PM] And now we’re all at the gym, and then on the street. And I lost that thread.

george_galuschak [9:02 PM] I’m confused!!!

cathschaffstump [9:03 PM] Jaunty scarf, Jake.

cathschaffstump [9:03 PM] Oh. Well, so much for his ally. Oh, well, so much for the pilot.

chris [9:04 PM] is that the old Hulk music? when he would always walk down the road alone at the end?

cathschaffstump [9:06 PM] Are these his old buddies from Viet Nam?

george_galuschak [9:06 PM] YOU WOULDNT LIKE ME WHEN IM ANGRY

chialynn [9:06 PM] He’s seen them, too! And so has he!

cathschaffstump [9:07 PM] Wow. Everyone is blowing up. It’s got something to do with something.

chialynn [9:07 PM] New York in the ’70s. Cars blowing up on every corner.

cathschaffstump [9:07 PM] No such things as fuckin’ demons. Wish I’d written that line.

chialynn [9:08 PM] George Costanza!

cathschaffstump [9:08 PM] Yeah!

chris [9:09 PM] don’t hire George Costanza to rep you in court

george_galuschak [9:09 PM] hey it’s that guy who works for GEORGE STEINBRENNER!!!

chialynn [9:10 PM] Frito’s? Weirdest product placement I’ve seen in a while.

chris [9:10 PM] They’re devilishly good

george_galuschak [9:10 PM] JEZEBEL’S BACK!!!

chialynn [9:10 PM] She’s being nice again.

cathschaffstump [9:11 PM] For another six minutes. Timing now…

chris [9:12 PM] she’s leaving before the next transformation

cathschaffstump [9:12 PM] So now we have some sort of underlying conspiracy plot.

george_galuschak [9:13 PM] you’re still trying to decipher the plot?

cathschaffstump [9:13 PM] You’re on your own, man. The other actors are too expensive.

chris [9:13 PM] MK ULTRA

george_galuschak [9:14 PM] is he in court for something? did Jezebel get arrested for walking around without a shirt?

chialynn [9:14 PM] Just stalking George Costanza.

cathschaffstump [9:14 PM] I am just going on record as saying this is two hours of my life I’m never getting back. Whaaaaattttt??? War games in Thailand?

george_galuschak [9:15 PM] this is a visually striking movie! the plot is secondary

cathschaffstump [9:15 PM] Blows my afterlife theory out of the water, dammit.

chris [9:15 PM] “What is the deal with Vietnam vets?” (Jerry Seinfeld voice)

george_galuschak [9:16 PM] there are elements of this movie that take too long to be introduced

chris [9:16 PM] Dick Cheney!

cathschaffstump [9:16 PM] What? “Frightening people with foolish talk.” When? And I mean hey, stop beating on him.

george_galuschak [9:16 PM] HEY IT’S JOEY GOOMBATS

cathschaffstump [9:17 PM] This will end well.

chialynn [9:17 PM] He’s about to die in the car that nearly ran him over.

cathschaffstump [9:17 PM] Santa is robbing him.

chialynn [9:18 PM] SANTA/SATAN

chris [9:18 PM] 70s New York

cathschaffstump [9:18 PM] I have a Krampus bell right behind me and I’m not afraid to use it.

george_galuschak [9:18 PM] Guest Appearance: Dick Cheney as LUCIFER, RULER OF THE 7TH CIRCLE OF HELL

chialynn [9:18 PM] “Santa stole my wallet.”

cathschaffstump [9:18 PM] That doctor’s hair is also perfect.

george_galuschak [9:18 PM] how did he keep his glasses on after all that?

cathschaffstump [9:18 PM] Dick Cheney is so evil he’s in hell even though he isn’t dead.

george_galuschak [9:19 PM] not to be nitpicky in a movie like this, but the fact that he hasn’t lost his glasses seems sort of impossible

chialynn [9:19 PM] This movie would have blown my mind in 1990.

chris [9:19 PM] yeah it doesn’t age all that well

george_galuschak [9:19 PM]kidnapped – car brawl – beaten up by Santa but, by God he still has his glasses!

cathschaffstump [9:20 PM] And now, Arkham!

george_galuschak [9:20 PM] NURSE RATCHET

chialynn [9:20 PM] Novy says he just realized he’s never seen this movie sober before.

chris [9:21 PM] haha exactly I think I saw it fucked up at a midnight movie

chialynn [9:21 PM] This hospital is never going to pass a health and safety inspection.

george_galuschak [9:21 PM] it is A VISUAL BOMBARDMENT

george_galuschak [9:21 PM] hey, it’s underwear on head man!

cathschaffstump [9:21 PM] Trepanning?

george_galuschak [9:22 PM] TIME FOR YOUR LOBOTOMY

chris [9:22 PM] a flea bottle in front of me

cathschaffstump [9:22 PM] You’re dead.

chris [9:22 PM] that worldplay never made sense to me because what the hell is a flea bottle?

cathschaffstump [9:22 PM] Jezebel is operating on him.

george_galuschak [9:23 PM] TOPLESS BRAIN SURGERY

chialynn [9:23 PM] That’s a serious needle.

george_galuschak [9:23 PM] hey, it’s the wholesome woman

chialynn [9:23 PM] Oh. Hi, Sarah.

george_galuschak [9:23 PM] SHE WEARS A SHIRT

cathschaffstump [9:24 PM] I’m alive. I’m not dead. Weeelllllll….I’m not too sure.

cathschaffstump [9:24 PM]
Who are those kids?

chris [9:24 PM] the ones who didn’t die

george_galuschak [9:24 PM] oh, Jake, don’t you remember our kids? Poindexter and the kid from HOME ALONE!

chialynn [9:24 PM] Maybe there were three kids?

chris [9:24 PM] Hulk music again

cathschaffstump [9:24 PM] “I still love you.” (even though you have been sleeping with Jezebel.)

george_galuschak [9:25 PM] someone’s fucked up Danny Aiello’s pizzeria again


cathschaffstump [9:26 PM] They hire Aiello to do that scene in every movie he’s in. Still got those glasses.

chris [9:26 PM] Extra cheese is two dollas

chialynn [9:27 PM] “My chiropractor saved my life.”

george_galuschak [9:27 PM] time to chiropract your spine from your back

chris [9:27 PM] my neck, my back

george_galuschak [9:27 PM]IT ALL HURTS

cathschaffstump [9:28 PM] Devils are angels? Angels are devils? Whaaatttt????

george_galuschak [9:29 PM] Devils are fallen angels, technically

cathschaffstump [9:30 PM] In Christianity anyway. The dog still knows everything, and isn’t talking.

chris [9:31 PM] M,.A,.!

george_galuschak [9:31 PM] what happened to Jezebel?

chris [9:32 PM] she said she was going somewhere and left him food in one of her nice 6 minutes

george_galuschak [9:33 PM] OFF TO THE TANNING SALON

chris [9:33 PM] Pet Sematary moment

george_galuschak [9:33 PM] oh cool, we can watch the kid get hit by a car now in a scene I sure didn’t see that coming!

chris [9:34 PM] that’s what he gets for leaving him HOME ALONE

chialynn [9:34 PM] Grief hallucinations. Very common.

cathschaffstump [9:34 PM] Back to the head shaking scariness. Oh. She’s back!

george_galuschak [9:34 PM] LET’S FACE IT, JACOB, YOU’RE FUCKED!!!

chialynn [9:34 PM] Though maybe not so much with the head jitters.

cathschaffstump [9:34 PM] Stay away from me! You operated on me!

chris [9:34 PM] She’s getting slugged again

george_galuschak [9:34 PM] boy, people wear a lot of bathrobes in this movie

cathschaffstump [9:35 PM] The old chemical warfare unit.

chialynn [9:36 PM] That guy!

cathschaffstump [9:36 PM] That guy!

george_galuschak [9:37 PM] It’s…THAT GUY!!!

george_galuschak [9:37 PM] There’s going to be a lot of exposition to explain this one

george_galuschak [9:37 PM] AS YOU KNOW, JACOB

chialynn [9:38 PM] Why would you send the chemist to Vietnam, instead of having him work in the US and sending the drugs overseas?

george_galuschak [9:41 PM] hey man, DON’T FUCK WITH THE PIGEONS

chris [9:41 PM] John Woo shot

chialynn [9:42 PM] You felt responsible because YOU ARE.

cathschaffstump [9:42 PM] They spent a lot of money on that street steam.

george_galuschak [9:42 PM] hey, is this turning into some sort of wacky romantic comedy?

cathschaffstump [9:42 PM] And then Jacob ran away from the irresponsible chemist, who existed only for exposition.

chris [9:42 PM] … and Jezebel was the one who ordered the attack

cathschaffstump [9:44 PM] Dr. Singer?

chialynn [9:44 PM] Doctor. He _was_ a medic.

george_galuschak [9:47 PM] TIME TO OPERATE

cathschaffstump [9:48 PM] Family life. Three kids.

chris [9:48 PM] Spell it out, why don’t you

chialynn [9:49 PM] A bunch of those shots with Gabe were taken in LA.

cathschaffstump [9:49 PM] And now you are in heaven, because your little boy is here.

chialynn [9:49 PM] And I’m not sure that I’m supposed to have realized that. “It’s okay, Daddy. I’m still dead, but so are you.”

george_galuschak [9:50 PM] visually disorienting movie

chialynn [9:50 PM] SUBTLE!!! The light at the top of the stairs.

chris [9:50 PM] HAMMER TIME

chialynn [9:50 PM] GO INTO THE LIGHT

george_galuschak [9:50 PM] whut?

chialynn [9:51 PM] And it was all a dream.

chris [9:51 PM] I think we need Danny Aiello to explain one more time

george_galuschak [9:51 PM] well – if you’re dead, you can’t hallucinate

chris [9:52 PM] OK, so what makes no sense (well, one of the things)

george_galuschak [9:52 PM] it’s sort of impossible

cathschaffstump [9:52 PM] Okay, so this was a movie about what if the government use hallucinogenic drugs on soldiers and the after effects?

chialynn [9:52 PM] Yes.

cathschaffstump [9:52 PM] Just say no to government experimentation kids.

george_galuschak [9:52 PM] there were no after effects. he was dead. that’s the ultimate after effect

chialynn [9:53 PM] And what if you hallucinated the several years after your death while you were dying? And what if Purgatory?

george_galuschak [9:53 PM] CHIA DON’T DO THAT TO ME

chris [9:53 PM] “A guy just explained that my unit just all killed each other, and the army got away with it. Okay, I’m at peace and ready to die!”

cathschaffstump [9:53 PM] Chris, I think that’s it.

george_galuschak [9:53 PM] oh, I see now

cathschaffstump [9:54 PM] Poorly executed, but that’s it.

chris [9:54 PM] I mean, I think I would be more pissed and unwilling to go than ever, but you do you, Jacob

chialynn [9:54 PM] As I said, this movie would have blown my mind in 1990. But the tropes would have been new to me in 1990.

george_galuschak [9:54 PM] well, he’s dead, so he’s not pissed at anything

chris [9:54 PM] yeah it was kind of freaky at midnight movie

george_galuschak [9:55 PM] he died in ‘Nam! and then hallucinated four years? whut?

chialynn [9:55 PM] Playing out the what ifs while the medics worked him over.

chris [9:56 PM] he died after the hallucinations

cathschaffstump [9:56 PM] Once when I was in the emergency room and I had had some morphine, I saw the second Matrix movie. It was much better for the morphine.

chris [9:56 PM] ha

cathschaffstump [9:56 PM] This movie would also have been better on morphine.

george_galuschak [9:56 PM] I didn’t know people hallucinated so cinematically

chialynn [9:56 PM] Depends on the hallucinations!

george_galuschak [9:56 PM]
I thought the movie was fine. I mean, the plot isn’t all that important to this movie

cathschaffstump [9:56 PM] Although it felt like this movie was trying to make you feel like you’d had morphine.

chialynn [9:57 PM] It is very visual.

chris [9:57 PM] yeah it’s more dream sense

george_galuschak [9:57 PM] it sort of reminded me of a Dave Lynch movie

chris [9:57 PM]yeah, it’s like a cut rate version of Mulholland Drive

cathschaffstump [9:57 PM] And that’s good, because it definitely has no plot to speak of.
I could see that. Surprising no one, I’m not much of a David Lynch fan either.

chialynn [9:57 PM] Novy says “It spoonfeeds you more than Lynch ever does.”

george_galuschak [9:58 PM] it has plot elements, but no plot

cathschaffstump [9:58 PM] Dune? A masterpiece. No, I’m lying.

chris [9:58 PM] He didn’t have tiny old people coming out of a paper sack and chasing him

chialynn [9:58 PM] That’s a good way to put it, George.

cathschaffstump [9:58 PM] Agreed.

chris [9:58 PM] it didn’t commit 100% to what it wanted to do

cathschaffstump [9:59 PM] Yup.

chris [9:59 PM] the army conspiracy has no heft because there’s no consequence

george_galuschak [9:59 PM]it kept introducing new elements, so it didn’t play fair.
there’s no way to figure out what’s going to happen

chris [9:59 PM] well it’s kind of about someone being disoriented, so I didn’t mind that

cathschaffstump [9:59 PM] I am thinking of Hero, which told the same story 5 times, each time in a different color, but it got through one iteration of each version completely before it jumbled things up.

george_galuschak [9:59 PM] it seems to me that other movies have sort of imitated some of the elements of this movie

chialynn [10:00 PM] Oh, definitely!

cathschaffstump [10:00 PM] However, Chris does have a point about the disorientation.

george_galuschak [10:00 PM] which is why it gives the appearance of being sort of dated

chris [10:00 PM] but Novy is right, Lynch doesn’t have someone come right out and say, “She’s a failed actress from a small town who is terrified of disappointing people back home”

cathschaffstump [10:00 PM] Again, that morphine feel.

cathschaffstump [10:00 PM] Drugs. The seventies. All about them.

chris [10:01 PM] it’s weird, I remembered it being more freaky. But really, there’s about 10 minutes total of semi-surreal imagery

chialynn [10:01 PM] The battle injuries are pretty gruesome.

george_galuschak [10:01 PM] I think it’s more effective if you’ve never seen it and don’t know what’s coming

george_galuschak [10:01 PM] the disorientation is intentional

chris [10:02 PM] true

cathschaffstump [10:02 PM] I’d never seen it.

george_galuschak [10:02 PM] me neither

cathschaffstump [10:02 PM] Work for you?

chris [10:02 PM] a LOT of movies have trotted out the “someone is dying or dreaming” trope in the intervening 30 years

george_galuschak [10:02 PM] sure it’s an interesting movie. since it’s a mainstream movie they sort of had to attempt an explanation, which Lynch doesn’t have to do bc he’s Dave Lynch

chris [10:03 PM] there are a lot of bad movies in this vein. It’s so easy to just cheat and come to the end and wrap up with “it doesn’t make sense because it was a hallucination”

george_galuschak [10:03 PM] this movie could also be about mental illness

cathschaffstump [10:03 PM] So maybe it would have been better if they’d gone artier.

george_galuschak [10:03 PM] or PTSD

chris [10:03 PM] yeah

george_galuschak [10:03 PM] I mean, there’s a lot of interesting elements there. they maybe try to do too much

chris [10:04 PM] I didn’t realize until you said that, George, but Mr. Robot uses a lot of the same tricks to portray mental illness

george_galuschak [10:05 PM] extremely unhinged people might experience the world like that, but it wouldn’t make as much sense

george_galuschak [10:05 PM] he could have committed suicide in that tub the ‘fever’ could be a bunch of drugs or whatever he could have been hit by that car

george_galuschak [10:05 PM] this movie is all about dying the death imagery is repetitive and unrelenting they hammer you with it

chris [10:07 PM] they could have afforded to be a little more subtle

chris [10:08 PM] but like Chia said, the tropes weren’t that well known then

george_galuschak [10:08 PM] the problem is, all that imitation has diluted the waters

chris [10:08 PM] I think so

cathschaffstump [10:09 PM] That is a problem with watching the first of something years later.

chris [10:09 PM] really stylized things, especially

cathschaffstump [10:10 PM] So, I’m willing to agree regarding the visual elements.

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